Loopholes - A podcast investigating the breakdowns and breakthroughs in circular systems and infrastructure
Hosted by Sphere’s own Kate Dryden & Justin Frank from Goterra
There’s a gap between how things should work and how they do. That’s where Loopholes lives. From circular economy hacks to climate tech workarounds, Loopholes is the podcast for people who ask:
What if the problem isn’t the system—but the assumptions holding it together?
Each episode, Justin Frank, a renegade waste innovator, and Kate Dryden, a strategist reshaping environmental infrastructure, speak with the disruptors, designers and policy shapers who are finding elegant workarounds to some of the planet’s messiest challenges.
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Season One of Loopholes features 6 episodes with bold thinkers and industry leaders, dropping weekly.
Tune in as we explore the cracks in our systems—and the people turning them into possibilities.
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Episode 3 - The FOGO Gap Part 2 - Inside the Industry
Guest - Roslyn Florie-George, Executive GM of Strategic Growth and Infrastructure at SoilCo
In this episode of Loopholes, Justin Frank and Kate Dryden speak with Roslyn Florie-George, Executive GM of Strategic Growth and Infrastructure at SoilCo — a leading organics recycling business turning food and garden waste into high-quality compost. SoilCo plays a critical role in Australia's transition to a circular economy by processing organic waste at scale and returning nutrients back to the soil.
Together, they dig into the hard truths of circular economy implementation, focusing on what’s broken, what’s working, and what needs urgent reform in Australia’s organic waste systems.
Roslyn shares sharp insights into the realities of composting at scale, the shortcomings of compostable packaging, and why the humble green bin is both underappreciated and foundational. The conversation unpacks the need for harmonised landfill levies, smarter infrastructure investment, and a cultural shift toward more circular behaviour..
“Nature has always been circular—we're just trying to catch up.”
Roslyn Florie-George
Ep 3 - Launching 30th July
Episode 1 - The FOGO Gap
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In this episode, we speak with Gayle Sloan about the uncomfortable truth behind Australia’s waste problem — and why real change starts long before the bin.
Australia is one of the most wasteful nations in the world, yet the public conversation often focuses only on recycling at the end of the line. Gayle unpacks the deeper systemic issues holding us back — from fragmented waste systems to overproduction and flawed product design — and explains why shifting to a circular economy demands more than just better bins.
We explore the risks hidden in our waste streams, the link between material use and emissions, and what it takes to create resilient, closed-loop systems that work for people and the planet.
Episode launch July 9th
Tony Chappel, CEO NSW EPA
Episode 2 - Beyond the Bin
Gayle Sloan, CEO of the WMRRA
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In this episode, we speak with Gayle Sloan about the uncomfortable truth behind Australia’s waste problem — and why real change starts long before the bin.
Australia is one of the most wasteful nations in the world, yet the public conversation often focuses only on recycling at the end of the line. Gayle unpacks the deeper systemic issues holding us back — from fragmented waste systems to overproduction and flawed product design — and explains why shifting to a circular economy demands more than just better bins.
We explore the risks hidden in our waste streams, the link between material use and emissions, and what it takes to create resilient, closed-loop systems that work for people and the planet.
Episode launch July 9th
Expect conversations that:
Expose contradictions in policy, planning, and public systems
Spotlight under-the-radar innovations and unexpected alliances
Decode the fine print of the climate economy—without the spin
Invite bold thinking grounded in real-world complexity
Meet your hosts
Justin Frank (Goterra) and Kate Dryden (Sphere Infrastructure) come from opposite ends of the climate economy—one from the ground up, the other from the policy in.
In Loopholes, they combine forces to explore what happens when infrastructure meets innovation, and regulation runs up against reality. This collaboration between Goterra and Sphere brings together sharp strategy, messy systems, and the people reshaping them from the inside out.
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Co-founder & Partner
Kate is a Principal at Sphere
Infrastructure, where she works at the intersection of climate strategy, policy design, and infrastructure delivery. With a background in government and industry, she’s a systems thinker with a sharp eye for what's missing in the mainstream narrative.
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CCO Goterra
Justin is the Chief Commercial Officer at Goterra, known for his straight-talking style and big-picture thinking. He’s spent years turning waste problems into circular solutions, using insects and innovation to challenge how things have always been done.
Want to be a guest on the show?
Are you challenging the status quo in waste, water, energy, or infrastructure?
Do you see the loopholes others miss—and turn them into bold, practical solutions?
We're looking for industry leaders, innovators, and system shapers who aren’t afraid to talk about the hard stuff: what’s broken, what’s working, and what needs to change.
If that’s you, we’d love to hear from you.
Podcast Credits
Production & Comms - Jessica Evans
Creative & Marketing - Kate Hurst
Hosts - Justin Frank & Kate Dryden
Concept - Olympia Yarger
Recording - Brightside Studios